How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

Could humans be selectively bred, like dogs, to create 2 subspecies that can no longer have offspring? Do I not understand selective breeding properly? Im not worried about the moral implications, just the science please.

Now here in this verse

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

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ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

Is it legal for an employer to ask why you are taking time off from work?

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

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With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

What will the legacy of Jimmy Carter be in light of his death today at 100?

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Why do old men think young women and girls would want them over guys their own age?

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

President Trump kicked Zelensky out of the White House. Is it over for a deal?

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Will you share your wife? Can she take both of us at the same time?

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

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You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

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My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Why do unattractive men assume that a pretty woman like me want them?

then who is there to know what happens without?

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

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ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

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I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

CONCLUSION:

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

NOW…

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

Kabir (a weaver)

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

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Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

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I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

I am like a fish out of water,

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We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

Sain (a barber)

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.